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Shailly. Photograph by Steve Pavey, courtesy The Poor Peoples Campaign
Becoming the Change You Want to See in the World
September 30, 2021
Mahatma Gandhi is often quoted: "Be the Change You Want to See in this World."   In this week's episode, we meet two activists who did just that – Rev. Rob Schenk and Shailee Gupta Barnes.  
Shailee Gupta-Barnes. Image courtesy of the Poor People's Campaign
Sacred Steps: Shailly Gupta Barnes and the Poor People's Campaign September 30, 2021
The Poor People’s Campaign is an interfaith movement to end poverty in the United States. It builds on an earlier movement launched by Martin Luther King Jr. and other activists in 1968, an organizing effort that connected civil rights to economic justice. In this episode of Sacred Steps, we meet Shailly Gupta Barnes, one of its leading tacticians. She's an Indian American who grounds her commitment to economic justice in her family’s Hindu traditions.

This story was reported by Jess Engebretson. It was produced by KALW's The Spiritual Edge in collaboration with USC's Center for Religion and Civic Culture. To hear more stories like this, look for The Spiritual Edge in your favorite podcast feed, or visit their website, thespiritualedge.org.

Shailly Gupta Barnes. Policy Director for the Kairos Center and the Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. She has a background in law, economics, and human rights and has spent over 15 years working with and for poor and dispossessed communities. Around poverty, systemic racism, ecological devastation and militarism,
Rev. Ron Schenck
A Change of Heart, A Change in Activism September 30, 2021
For decades, evangelical Christian minister Rev. Rob Schenck was one of the most high-profile anti-abortion advocates in the country, using provocative and sometimes shocking tactics in his demonstrations. Schenck eventually turned away from that form of activism and recently has dedicated himself to a new cause: advocating for gun reform. Though Schenck says this goes against mainstream evangelical culture, he says he believes one cannot be “pro-life” and “pro-gun.” In his memoir, Costly Grace: An Evangelical Minister's Rediscovery of Faith, Hope, and Love, Schenck details the three conversions he has undergone in his life: his conversion to Christianity, his conversion to right-wing activism, and his conversion to gun control advocacy.

Rev. Ron Schenck, American Evangelical clergyman. He ministers to elected and appointed officials in Washington, D.C., and serves as president of a non-profit organization named for Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He is the subject of the Emmy Award-winning 2016 documentary, The Armor of LightHe is the author of Costly Grace: An Evangelical Minister's Rediscovery of Faith, Hope, and Love, from Harper Collins.


Costly Grace, Harper
Costly Grace

Harper Collins





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